Where?

[russ]

In the FCA rules for 3D (specifically) does it say that a lighted nock may not be used? I followed through then entire 3D rules in section 11 and found absolutely no reference to such a prohibition.

If such a rule does exist, where is it written? It's certainly not in the Section 11 equipment section.

[Duggernaut]

I dont recall ever seeing anything about lighted nocks in the rules period. Definately not in the 3D rules. Anyone else?????

[Travski]

I dont recall ever seeing anything about lighted nocks in the rules period. Definately not in the 3D rules. Anyone else?????

last year at lethbridge a guy was told by two judges he could not use them not sure the reasoning on it but they approached him on warmup line beside me and told him they were not allowed

I looked to and could not find it anywhere

[russ]

This is exactly my point Travis. It's not in the rules. There's mention of no electronic or electric devices in section 7 of the FCA rules but that section applies to FITA & Field not 3D. I would have to say that someone erred in their ruling as there is no supporting documentation. Do you, per chance remember which judges disallowed the lighted nocks? I wouldn't mind hearing their side of the story.

[Travski]

yeah the ones in the red shirts.........lol
I dont know any of their names

[acearchery]

It is not specifically in the rules like many of the other common courteswies found in archery...

That being said there is a rule about projecting a laser pointer light on the target.

There also is not a specific rule mentioned about not distracting a fellow archer but falls under the common sense rule.... That is where these nocks could be considered distracting to other arches as the are on when flying through the air.

Here is another one that is not in the 3D rules but is in FITA rules.... what iskeeping an archer from using a 2712 aluminum or 30X Cutter Carbon for the 20 yard and closer shots and an ACE for the longer ones!.......


HMMMM maybe the 2712's will be useful in places other than Vegas!.....:laugh:

[Mikey]

Al I havent looked at the rules in a while but I seem to recall a rule stating all arrows an archer uses must be of the same type and same color fletching and cresting

[russ]

Al - courteswies? do you mean courtesies?

BTW, any ruling made from "common sense" without strong background in the rule book is open to successful appeal. That's just "common sense".

[acearchery]

Al I havent looked at the rules in a while but I seem to recall a rule stating all arrows an archer uses must be of the same type and same color fletching and cresting


Yes in FITA but not 3D..... It used to have this rume but is not there....

3D states all equipment is accepted except where expressly stated as forbidden... which is why long and multiple stabs are allowed in BHR......

As for "common sense" that is what laws and rules are supposed to based on.... which is misquoted and misread..... it really means common consensus....... which people have made colloquially "common sense".....

as for spell checj who has trime for that junk......

[Kale]

another one for you..

Last year at Nationals in Lethbridge they were not allowing guys to shoot with vbars in excess of 10" long in the Open Class, saying this was a "new" rule...still is not in the book, that I can see anyway..

anyword on this?

[WOOKIE]

Something is illegal only if you get caught.

And that is my $0.02 on the subject.

[jhooey]

Every year at the Indoor 3D Nationals there is confusion. Rules that are changed become effective April 1st of the year not January 1st. I think we should look into changing that so there is no confusion.

The rules, as of April 1, 2008, say that all stabilizers are permissible unless restricted within a category. For example, Hunter class is restricted to a 12" stabilizer and the "sticks" are not permitted them.

All arrows are permitted unless a category indicates specifics.

Rule 11.11.2.1 states that "Equipment is permitted in a class unless it is prohibited."
With the rapid change in technology, it is difficult to make rules for each new piece of equipmet that comes out.

This should make life more simple. If you look up you category and there are restrictions, you must follow them. If there are no restrictions, use what you like.


However, rule 11.11.2.6 states that "Archers with equipment that falls outside the existing guidelines will be put in the Non-Competitive (NC) class until such time that the FCA 3D committee makes a ruling as to which class it should be placed in."

I'm not sure that lighted nocks serve a purpose in 3D. They do when hunting, of course. If I were shooting with a top shooter who used lighted nocks that were usually in the 10 or 10X, I would love it. I would a great aiming point. However, they might be distracting if they were in the 5. On the other hand, it would help my concentration by having to focus away from it.

We all live by the rules of fair play. These nocks can be turned off. If they bother someone in your group, shut them off. Play fair and be a good sport.

[Mikey]

the sportmanship rule is just that .. sportsmanship rule .... by defination its up to the individual judge to determine whats sportsmanship or not .... its like figureskating .... up to an idividuals judgement...

there will be nothing clearcut in black and white as long as a "Sportsmanship" rule exists

[jhooey]

Mike are you suggesting that we abandon good sportsmanship?

[Mikey]

No .. my point is everyones idea of sportsmanship or Unsportmanslike conduct is just a little differant from one another.

We can all agree that most of our ideals are very similar but they all differ just ever so slightly

the way the rule reads right now its the judges decition as to whats unsportsmanlike or not ...
for example ... if i was shooting with Scooter .... and by some miricle he shoots an X and I say ... "Nice Shot Runtkin" .... If a judge didnt know me or Scott or just decided to be a dick ...I could be DQd on poor sportsmanship .... Or If i shot an X ..Scott says " Nice Shot Fatty" the same would/could happen.

Most everyone in this discussion knows that Scott and I are good friends and thats what we do ... we are not malice and we actually are sincere when we say "Godd shot Fatty/Runt"

here by the way is direct from the 08 rule book
11.18 Sportsmanship
11.18.1 Unsportsmanlike conduct will not be tolerated. Any action considered by a Judge as unsportsmanlike will result in disqualification.

11.18.2 It will be considered unsportsmanlike conduct to assist a shooter by projecting any illuminated aiming point onto any target.

11.18.3 Littering or improper disposal of trash will be considered as unsportsmanlike conduct.


I personally would read that as luminocks being "unsportsmanlike" as shooting an arrow could be called "projecting an arrow"

[russ]

"projecting" interesting choice of words and open to interpretation since an illuminated nock isn't a projected beam it's lit up. Are we going to ban translucent nocks next? After all, in the correct lighting they also will "illuminate".

BTW, there is one valid use of illuminated nocks, indoor shoots with spectators; not everyone can afford good glass.

[Mikey]

thats my point Russ ... its lit up but on the end of a "Projected "arrow...

wording sucks.. cause it can contorted and twisted to fit whomever