WARNING GRAPHIC This opened my eyes on aboriginal subsistence hunting

[acearchery]

here is what i saw this weekend while heading our bear hunting. Saturday afternoon saw a three aboriginals stopped on the side of the road in a company truck They said they shot a moose i asked if it was bull and they said a dry cow. We carried on and on the way home the next day we stopped in in here is what we found.

A cow moose with a full term calf was killed.

To me this is wrong in a few ways.

For conservation purposes this moose should have not been harvested as this one survived predation and was going to increase the population

For consumption: This moose was very low in nutrients and fat and would not be that good of eating anyways

For Waste... no comment necessary....

Does this bother anyone else?

[acearchery]

Pictures

[BIGHORN]

This BS has been going on far to long and its time for people to stand up and say something!! AC did you phone the company that owned the truck that was bieng used by this party?? I am sure they do not want company trucks used for this purpose?

[Shoot4Cause]

This kind of crap angers me on many levels......the disrespect for wildlife being just the tip of the iceberg.

I would appreciate if Morton could tell me why an individual in Alberta driving a company truck (oilfield related I am guessing) making $100K/yr of a particular heritage has a free pass to do crap like this! Oh yeah, I forgot, certain communities in Alberta live off the land and don't have a Costco card. :bs:

God Bless our politiicans!!!

AC.....send your story and pics to Morton's office.

[bdoa]

Did you see this happen?

[Bearcat]

I feel that there needs to be a better definition of "Subsistnce" hunting. Clearly the individuals responsible were working, (they had a company truck). In this case how would they be any different then any of us other poor shmucks who carry a lunch pale in order to pay for our hobbies and groceries. Even if they were here first, how was life any different for the first Europen settlers, did they have the option to get their groceries at the I.G.A. down the trail??????? Politics sucks. Something needs to be done and not for the good of mankind, but for the protection of all those tasty animals out there....Any hunter would agree that conservation must come before anything.
Sorry to rant but this get my blood boiling, I see this way toooooo much in northwestern Ontario where I work.

[dropzone]

This is wrong in so many ways and should not go untold. This is a chance to stop this abuse!!!!! Start making phone calls and publishing it.

[map101ca]

I've stood by the Aboriginal rights many times in the past and am sure I will again in the future, but...

Any true native/metis hunter would never do such a thing. The band office of these people should be notified as soon as possible. I do not say these native because they are not abiding by native rule. Respect of nature is like the first law. It's sad to see the rights of so many being affected by the acts of so few.

Acarcher please get these photos to the police and get them on the TV; Notify the comany and the band office. This is a true abuse of rights. How can... I'm so P1S5ed I can't get my words together properly.

And so the stigma will continue...

[acearchery]

I spoke with my Dad this weekend about this and he also re-iterated that this carnage is not condoned or supported by aboriginals either.

However for me to put pictures on TV without control this could be spun a different way and look bad on all hunters!...

As for band office... don't know what band....

[map101ca]

The first thing is to find out who was using the company truck. It may even be a native buissness. Then contact any band office and show them what you know. They will probably know who these people are, or what band they are from.

Rest assured that if one band office catches wind what happened, it will spread like wildfire throughout all the bands in the area. There will be band meetings to watch for these activities and report them. As much as (Sorry) White people think that natives and metis are out to stip the land of all its resources. They are taught first and for most, to repect nature and all it has to offer. They even thank the creator EVERY time they take something, and make an offering back.

These people that did this may have had a peice of ID in thier pocket saying they were native, but hold no true native blood in them.

[Huntsman]

This kinda $hit sickens me, it just adds more fuel to the anti-aboriginal fire and further builds the stereotype. These individuals proved that they show no repect for the rights given to them and creatures that the Creator has provided us to share with one another obviously then they show no respect in themselves.
:mad: Huntsman

[dropzone]

AC,

Your right to say that putting it on TV could create a landslide for all hunters. I jumped the gun in saying "publish" without the guilty party being charged first. I truely hope that you do make a choice to have the matter investigated.

Randy.

[Huntsman]

Aboriginal hunters hunt for "sustenance" not subsistence :D
To make a point here, I absolutely and completly disrespect "anyone" who thinks this is hunting , furthermore I must add that this sort of thing probably was'nt the 1st time. Hate them all and make your comments or spread your opinions, but non-aboriginal hunters don't always shine with their methods either.
It's a two sided fence ladies & gents :wink:
Just my .02 cents,

Huntsman

[doubleh]

i would like to play devil's advocate here. is this case any different than killing that cow in the fall? why? from an biological perspective, it makes no difference (other than the possibility of a single calf surviving). Wolves/bears, etc. would kill that moose if they could. they are a natrual part of the ecosystem (IMO there are way too many) but are they to be condemned too? What is the real problem? is it native hunting or the dead calf. As i understand it, these guys were within their native rights. Even if they weren't, the chances of our judicial system dealing with them, is...about as good as that calf's chances.

personally, i was impressed because they didn't just take the hind quarters, like i've seen a few times.
as for the spirituality of native hunters, you can feed whatever kind of hi ya, hi ya garbage you want but 3-4 guys in a 4x4 (company truck or not) has no spirituality, or even ethics to be associated to it. respecting nature? get serious.
We can rant on in this forum and try to hunt down these suspected criminals (good luck) or we can deal with the real problem through a special interest group (ie Hunters for Tomorrow). From what i've seen, Alberta is too worried about making money to give a hoot about outdated native hunting rights, or even public opinion (see: open spaces) but i've been wrong before...and i hope i'm wrong again.
Most guys i talk to, have never heard of a group that protects our hunting heritage. that fact alone should scare the hell out of you. We need a recognized, unified, well known group that can act in the interests of the majority of its members, and it needs a lot of members.....but we don't have one.....rant away.

[acearchery]

A lot of people don't understand the wrong-doing here like I do.....

I understand that shooting a preganant cow moose in the fall and a preganant one in the spring does not make a bit of biological difference other than:

The one shot in the fall has not eaten graze in the winter (keeping food for the surviver's), It has not had to survive the winter and risk of starvation and predation....

This cow moose is one that survived the winter, predation, and by surviving the forces of natural selection that its genes are more likely to be abetter fit than the ones that do not survive the forces of natural selection. It's calf will also have those genes and by killing it just before it gave birth after all the efoort of surviving... Kind of like shooting someone just before they finish the race.... more of a waste of energy and effort than dying at the beginning even though the end result was the same.... neither one crosses the finish line!...

The legality of this is open to question but i assumed that the involved people all have aboriginal hunting rights. So i am not questioning the legality....

I am questioning right and wrong. All the aboriginals I have told this story too all feel the same way as i do. that it is wrong. I have reported this.

I would never question someones right to hunt but the reason for game laws is for the common good of all regardless of provenence.

I also hear many times in debate how aboriginals are stewards of the environment and believe in conservation. This is not what i see as conservation where we harvest in such a way to ensure maximum sustainability!.....

thanks for the responses.... i had to vent and just let people know what is really going on....

I had an interesting discussion with an aboriginal this weekend who does not believe in bear hunting.... we respect one another's opinion and when i mentioned this incident to him he was actually quite concerned and guarateed me it was not a local and he is pursuing the matter as well.

[Huntsman]

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I had an interesting discussion with an aboriginal this weekend who does not believe in bear hunting.... we respect one another's opinion and when i mentioned this incident to him he was actually quite concerned and guarateed me it was not a local and he is pursuing the matter as well.

You mentioned that it was a "company" truck, so its quite possibe it was a city native(s) or completely from a different area and they were showing off? Who knows?
Just adds to the stereotype IMO :rolleyes:

[black mamba]

OUTDATED Native hunting rite's ... About say's it all !!! enough is enough It,s a licence to slaughter And like the history that brought it on it should also become history..were all living in the same time and should obey ONE set of LAW'S.....:angry_mad

[Huntsman]

Do you really think it's that easy??
That's opening up a HUGE can of worms if you ask me................