rest for target/3D ?

[Vinyari]

hey everyone

looks like I will be keeping my Hoyt magnatec for hunting so I am going to use my Commander for 3D and target only.....

I have been using an apa twister and really like it so I think I'm gonna put it on my hunting bow, which means I need another for my target bow, do you guys have any suggestions???

I hear that the lizard tongue/snake tongue style are supposed to be the best for target, is there any truth in this??

I would prefer to keep the price reasonable like maybe in the $50-$60 range.

I was even thinking of buying a QAD hunter and putting on my hunting one instead, just because it looks like a nice drop and it's pretty cheap.

thanks in advance for any input.
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

I like the KISS principal, keep it simple. The trophy taker spring steel and similar rests are definately the choice of top target shooters. The percentage of top target shooters using dropaways is relatively small.

I have seen a qad rest fail to drop away on a couple of bows, although mine doesn't. I love the full containment dropaway for hunting but like the simplicity of the spring steel for target and 3D, for what thats worth.

[Vinyari]

I am seriously considering one like this, is this the same one you are talking about?

http://www.trophytaker.com/arrow_rests.aspx?model=ss_1&type=arrow_rest


and if so which size launcher should I get??????

thanks
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

Thats the one.

The blades come in three sizes depending on your arrow weight. Off the top I can't remember the weights suggested for each blade size but I can look it up. The rest generally comes with a .010 blade that is usually adequate for most 3D arrows.

I go to a .012 wide blade for indoors when shooting large diameter aluminums with heavy points. For 3D and outdoor target I use the narrow .010.

[HOYTarcher]

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=1963&osCsid=1fb9af4b93997de66a3eefabed3dec19

arrow weights are given for each launcher thickness here

[Vinyari]

thanks for your help, it's much appreciated

[kfries]

I agree with mathewsarcher on this one.

You can't go wrong with a trophy taker.
I have a trophy taker drop away rest on my 3D bow and i like it.
But today i just bought that exact spring steel rest fro target. i have a wide .12 blade for larger heavier arrows and i also have a narrow .08 and .10 blade for my smaller FITA arrows hope this helps.

[Mikey]

I use the TT spring steel for target ... Love it ....

I also have a GKF TKO set up with the spring steel bade launcher .... I like that rest too as it can be easily converted to a Prong or a draop away rest in seconds

[Vinyari]

thanks guys...

I am definatly leaning towards the TT or the TKO, either in spring steel.

Randy

[Vinyari]

one more question guys....

what is the real difference from using a one hole prong and a 2 hole prong???

I can understand that a 2 hole might be more stable, but is that it??? what seems to be the preference????

is one better than the other, and why??

thanks again
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

I have used both and prefer the original. I found the blade angle too steep on the spring steel II and had to angle the rest to get the blade angle I wanted. I also found the longer blade on the spring steel I more foregiving. The blade on the SS II though is narrower and should give better clearance with small dia. arrows like ace/x10s. IMO I still found the SS I the better option. Most FITA archers I have seen use the original. I have a feeling the SS II was designed when Dave Cousins signed with trophy taker so he could sell more of the "best rests" that he designed (the 2 hole model that comes on the SS II). All in all no real difference between the two.

[TEAM PSE]

Hey Kevin, would shooting a 0.08" differ that much from shooting a 0.12" and if so how much and why? For example, could I use the 0.12" for a FATBOY and an A/C/E?

[HOYTarcher]

It can make a huge difference. The blade thickness allows the blade to flex out of the way and give you fletch clearance. Too thick the blade doesn't move and get lots of contact. Too light and the blade isn't stable which can lead to inconsistancies.

I think you would find a .012 too stiff for either arrow. I generally use the .012 for shooting large aluminums with heavy points for indoor target.

I have found the recommendations in the link earlier very close. Where you might get away with a blade only 1 size different two sizes like you are suggesting likely wouldn't work very well.

It will really depend on the weight of the arrows you are using. Depending on point weight etc. they may actually end up very close in weight so a single sized blade may work for both, although you would have to adjust your rest or nock point ot compensate for the difference in arrow diamets.

I like a slightly tail high set up with a launcher blade. I often start by setting my rest/nock point on a medicine stone about 1/8 bubble above centre. Good starting point. Then I will walkback and group tune to get my best flight.

[TEAM PSE]

Would I have to change between a wide and a narrow blade to change between a FATBOY and an ACE?

[HOYTarcher]

Not necessarily.

I would shoot aces off of a narrow launcher for sure just to get better clearance and less interference. If your drawing a smooth bow at a comfortable draw weight you may get away with a narrow launcher with the fat boys. The problem is when you get tired, or draw quickly or jerkily you may have problems keeping the fat boy on the launcher. I have shot fat shafts (aluminum right up to goltip 30x) off the narrow launcher for quite some time but notice when I get rushed or tired they can have a tendancy to pop off the riser.

The narrow and wide blades may also tune a little differently. The wider blades are slightly stiffer.

[TEAM PSE]

So would it be better to go off of arrow weight like from the website or would it be better to go by tip weight. If so which would I use for an 80 grain tip? What weight do you prefer for both indoor and out door target? What do your arrows weigh?

[HOYTarcher]

Tip weight makes no difference, use total arrow weight as described. For target I shoot heavy arrows (slow and forgiving)

Indoors 2314 (28.5"), 175 to 220 gr point, with feathers total arrow weight is close to 500 grains.

Outdoor X10 380, with 110 gr point and 1.75" Flex Fletch not sure of weight but close to 400 gr. - moderately slow but little wind drift even at 90m and moderate winds.

Bow set at 29.5", 59#.

[Vinyari]

hey guys, check this out

http://cavalier.safeshopper.com/9/cat9.htm?363

this is the actual rest I ordered as the spring steel is almost impossible to get hold of, it is supposed to be brand new....

hope it works out
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

I'm sure it will work fine but it is nothing like the spring steel this rest works with a spring similar to the old tm hunter style rest where the prongs are pushed downward and the tension is adjusted by a spring. There are no different blade sizes, which is the simplicity and consistency I like in a target rest.

BTW Calgary archery center stocks the spring steel and has at least a few models in stock.

[Vinyari]

so are you telling me I'm not geting as good a rest???

we looked at ordering one but the supplier said it was backordered, and highly recommended this one. this will be my first time setting up a bow for target, I've always just used my hunting bow for target.

set up is as follows

07 Bowtech Commander
#60
28" draw
Trophy ridge micro matrix (thinking about going to the Sword as I will be shooting MBR next year)
28" Fatty Doinker w/A bomb
not sure if I will go with offset bars yet
Carbon Tech Cheeta arrows
presently shooting a Win release but have a Carter Chocolate Lite on order

and the rest looks like it's gonna be the Shadow by AAE

any suggestions you can give me would greatly appreciated
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

Not saying its not as good of rest, just works on a different principal than the spring steel. Haven't used that actual model so I couldn't say its not as good, who knows may even turn out to be a better rest :D

[Vinyari]

hope I'm not coming across in a bad light here, you just seem like a very knowledgable guy and I'd prefer to know as much as possible when I'm doing something so I tend to ask alot of questions, sometimes even the stupid ones.

Do you have any suggestions on my setup??? what might work better or what I should try to stay away from?

as for sights I am debating between the Sword 5pin and the Sure loc 5pin?????

[HOYTarcher]

Cavalier makes some excellent products so I'm sure the rest will be excellent. Everything in your set up looks top notch and I can't say I'd change anything.

I'd take a look at the spott hogg sights as well, I know Keinv Evans (from BC) and several US pros are really liking the new hogg wraps in .010 pin size for 3D, very bright and small pins and each pin is mico adjustable as well. I have been using the spott hogg for years for hunting and just upgraded to the hogg wraps in .019 pins size and can see where the .010 pin would be awesome for a 3d SETUP.

I try lots of new products each year some work for me and some don't. I really don't think there are too many bad products available anymore most of it just comes down to personal preference.

[Vinyari]

I just got to try one of my buddies Sword, he has the .019 pins and they are nice, my trophy ridge also has .019 pins, I can't imagine how small the .010 pins are!!!

The sword was nice, wish I had access to more equipment, I will be heading to Edmonton next weekend I just might run down to Sherwood Park Acrhery lanes to see what they have in stock so I could look at different sights.

I have looked at the Hogg sights online, they sure look nice but nice price tag as well, LOL
I think I'd like to stick with something that has the extension bar like the sword and sure loc, havn't seen a hog with those style bars, but I'll look somemore

Thanks for all your advice it is much appreciated
Randy

[HOYTarcher]

The spott-hogg hog-it has a dovetail mounting system (long bar) with 2nd and 3rd axis adjustment. THe beauty of the spott hogg system is the micro adjustability of each individual pin plus micro adjuct gang adjust ments. Price is definately up there but you get what you pay for.

The .010 pins are small but bright I am still contemplating using them for hunting!

[TEAM PSE]

Hey Kevin, what is the difference between the long bar and the short bar of the Spring Steel 1? Which is better and for what reasons? :eyemouth:

[HOYTarcher]

Just the length. I like the short bar becuase it fits my bow better and I like to keep the rest forward. The further back you move the rest the more critical the bow can become to shoot, but other than that no real difference.