Moose Taken Down (Pictoral)

[WOOKIE]

Brent Watson sent me the pics this morning. Apparently taken from a treestand. Pretty damn wild.

http://forum.bowzone.ca/gallery/files/1/7/9/moose1.jpg

http://forum.bowzone.ca/gallery/files/1/7/9/moose21.jpg

http://forum.bowzone.ca/gallery/files/1/7/9/moose3.jpg

http://forum.bowzone.ca/gallery/files/1/7/9/moose4.jpg

[jeronimo]

wow. i dont know what else to say.

[Taxman]

Wow!

I hope you don't mind....I'm going to post this at other sites.

Mike

[ACC3-28]

Thats pretty, I want to print them off and frame them. I love nature in all it's cruelness and reality, thats why I'm a biologist i guess.

acarcher - Wolves are natures population maintenance tools, you should be a little nicer to them.

[WOOKIE]

Apparently, these pictures were taken in Isle Royale National Park in Michigan.

Here is a link to the story.

http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_ess/pe_EP_kills_moose.htm

[captain2k_ca]

!...... a better wolf is one that died a long lingering painful death like they inflict on the creatures they eat......

Yep... I get pretty upset and emotional about wolves..... Haven' gutshot one for awhile....suffering wolf withdrawal!....


This kind of ****es me off, pretty ethical hunting there bud....

what they do is natural, been doing it for eons....doesnt give us the right to make other creatures suffer!!!! Humans are the only animal that can willfully achieve this level of cruelty. Shoot to kill, not shoot to maim.

Gutshooting animals on purpose is what gives hunters a bad name.....and we have all seen what happens when hunters start getting a bad name......

[Scar]

I'm not pro wolf, I'd like to have some around here just so I could shoot them. However I'm not a fan of gut shooting anything, I don't even gut shoot gophers and I have a passion for destroying them. Maybe I should rephrase that to I don't intentionally gut shoot gophers (in the thousand I shoot I'm bound to make a poor shot now and again) and I will even waste a shell to finish them off if i happen to wound them.

[captain2k_ca]

Just want to clarify that I am not some *ahem* "Namby Pamby Wolf Lover"

I agree with the controlling of population(Disagree with the "Extermination thing")Maintenance of healthy populations is an integral part of nature.......Every animal has a purpose and all that...

Intentional cruelty, however is the issue here...I really do hope that you are "just kidding" about the gut shooting thing. I feel, however, that you are not joking, and that makes me sad. Nothing deserves that level of cruelty. For any reason. Quick, clean kill.

[ACC3-28]

Holy okay WOW!!! Quite honestly for someone who claims to have a biology degree and be a biologist you take an extremely biased opinion on the subject and argue the case alot like the guys down at the local coffee shop.

Firstly- The frontier occurred between about 1800 and 1910ish so unless your 90-200 years old you did not grow up on the frontier.

Secondly- as far as you being an integral part of nature.......YOUR NOT The fact of the matter is that with you removal of you, me and the human population of earth nature would be alot better off. I find it quite interesting how humans are the only species who find that they have the right to believe they are more important even though we are the afterthought in an ecosystem of befores.

Thirdly- I would really like to hear your definition of "Overpopulated" because as far as I've seen I don't think that mother nature has attached a definition to that one yet, if it had I'm pretty sure it would have sent out a notice to humans to inform us that certain populations are overpopulated. Nature has a built in mechanism for overpopulation it's called carrying capacity.

Fourthly- Wolves have been noble for longer than the last 30 years, they were at the top of the food chain long before we got here which gave them nobility.

Fifthly- Your right wolves can decrease an ungulate population in a hurry, yellowstone is a perfect example. The ungulate populations went down in a hurry and the wolf populations are still increasing, but the ungulate populations have stabilized! So I don't see how your theory fits there.

Sixthly- As far as wolves killing livestock goes, I really can't say wether your calves were killed by wolves or not, all I can say is that of all the claimed livestock "Wolf or Coyote Kills" that people say happen only about 10% maybe are actually kills, in most cases they are scavenges because the animal was already dead. Use yellowstone as an example again, in the beginning yes the wolves were responsible for livestock kills, but after the wolves adapted to their new environments they stopped killing livestock and were predating on ungulate populations. One example of tolerance that comes to mind is that when i was in Australia this summer it was standard practice for farmers to allow 10% crop loss by kangaroos. They chose to live there and now have to also learn to get along with the environment, something that north american ranchers have not taken into account.

As far as my background goes, I used to believe the same thing as you, wolves and coyotes are bad, but that didn't make it right. I grew up in a farming and ranching background the same as you and my family to this day still believes the same fairy tales that you do, but that doesn't make it right.

[petew]

AC:
I certainly hope that you change your attitude before you enter the class room to TEACH Bow Hunting ED!!!

[HOYTarcher]

Had to reply to this because I find it totally appalling.

To support gut shooting any animal is totally repugnant.

Wolves are a part of nature and have been since well before you, I or any of our ancestors came to North America. What the Wolves are doing in that Photo or anytime they bring down an animal is no different than what you or I do when we are out hunting. They are using the tools available to them, though it may appear cruel it is part of nature.

Too me a wolf is one of the greatest trophies to harvest with a bow. I would love to take one. Harvesting surplus wolves or coyotes is one thing, and something most people on this board support but to allow any animal to suffer and linger in death is something I cannot condone or support, to do so is lower in the evolutionary chain than a wolf, because as humans we have the ability to ensure our prey doesn't suffer and although we may not like it the Wolf or coyote does not have this ability.

I have shot at almost every wolf and coyote I have ever had the opportunity to draw on and will likely continue to do so, but when I do I hope the arrow flies true and I can be proud in the fact I have harvested it quickly and cleanly (I only hope I go out the same way when my time comes)

ACA added to my ignore list.

[Captainkip]

Aarcher, I could unload but you would just come back with some smart ass comments. You are welcome to your opinion but you know what they say about opinions...they are like a##holes and every one has one.

You need to study wolves and learn more about them. I cant beleive that someone could have so much hatred and beleive that they have the right to kill wolves as they see fit, its people like you....... aw screw it.....attitudes like yours are not worth the effort.

[Mikey]

hmmm evidently I am behind the times .... stupid jobs ....

I got theses pics yesterday and forwarded them to scott and trev .....

In My opinion its nature at its finest ...... damn antis think hunters are cruel ......tell them to have a look at nature ......
Also in my opinion the only thing that would make that scene more beauty is if those animals were all alone and my arrow was going thru their boiler rooms

[crazy_davey]

I had a response for Aarcher yesterday, but I see his post has vanished into thin air :eek:

Strange........