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scooter
12-22-2006, 05:31 AM
How's this for a load of horses h i t? :bs:



http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=94afa0e4-1941-4a30-9f89-dea659f56106&k=36792&p=1


B.C. natives win right to hunt at night

Supreme Court ruling: Dissenters argue that public safety put at risk





Janice Tibbetts, CanWest News Service

Published: Friday, December 22, 2006
OTTAWA - A B.C. aboriginal band won the right to hunt at night in a divided Supreme Court of Canada ruling yesterday that included a rebuke from the dissenting judges that public safety should not take a backseat to treaty rights.

The majority of judges concluded that British Columbia's blanket ban on night hunting is overly broad because the practice isn't necessarily dangerous.

"The ramifications of this decision will be felt right across Canada," predicted Stewart Phillip, grand chief of the Union of B.C. Indian Chiefs.

The decision overturned the conviction of two Vancouver Island aboriginals who belong to the Tsartlip First Nation, Ivan Morris and Carl Olsen, who were caught a decade ago in a sting operation.

They had lost their case every step of the way, but they convinced the Supreme Court majority they should be able to hunt with rifles in the dark, with the aid of a lamp, because their ancestors had engaged in the practice using torches and bows and arrows.

"British Columbia is a very large province, and it cannot plausibly be said that a night hunt with illumination is unsafe everywhere and in all circumstances," said the majority decision, co-authored by justices Marie Deschamps and Rosalie Abella.

"It applies without exception to the whole province, including the most northern regions where hours of daylight are limited in the winter months and populated areas are few and far between."

The ruling said treaty rights must be adapted to modern times and that "hunting with a rifle and ammunition is the current form of an evolving right whose origins were hunting with a bow and arrow."

The minority judgment, penned by Chief Justice Beverley McLachlin and Justice Morris Fish, countered that courts have consistently found that night hunting "inherently involves an unacceptable and elevated risk to the public."

They argued that the 1852 treaty in question was never intended to permit a practice that is dangerous.

Also, aboriginals could still be charged with dangerous hunting under B.C.'s Wildlife Act, but it would be up to the Crown to prove that the activity in question was unsafe.

The ruling invites the province of British Columbia to develop a new law that imposes restrictions on night hunting rather than a sweeping ban.

While hunting laws fall under provincial jurisdiction, there is a general prohibition across Canada, with few exceptions, on hunting after dark.

In British Columbia, the ban extends from an hour after sunset to an hour before sunrise. A spokeswoman for the province said it was too early to comment on whether British Columbia intends to redraft its wildlife law.

The two victorious hunters, with aboriginal leaders at their side, held a news conference yesterday to laud the Supreme Court ruling.

"The decision not only upholds our treaty rights, it protects our traditional way of life," said Mr. Olsen.

The ruling is the second significant victory this month for aboriginals, who two weeks ago won the right to cut trees on Crown land for domestic use.

The federal government and five provinces -- Alberta, Saskatchewan, Ontario, Quebec and New Brunswick -- intervened in the appeal to side with British Columbia.

On top of the 14 B.C. bands covered by the treaties in question (the Douglas treaties), the ruling could be used as leverage by other bands across the province and the rest of Canada who say they should be able to hunt because of treaties signed with their ancestors.

"The decision is broadly enough articulated in terms of the obligation on the part of the province to respect to the treaty rights that I'm sure there will be many First Nations in British Columbia and across Canada that will argue the decision should impact them," said Louise Mandell, the lawyer for Mr. Morris and Mr. Olsen.

The decision, however, does not apply to non-natives, who remain subject to the provincial ban.

High-powered, modern-day rifles make hunting much more hazardous today, the minority said.

"The dangers of hunting at night have been amplified with the development of modern weaponry," wrote Justices Mc- Lachlin and Fish.

"A right to hunt is not transformed into a right to hunt in an unsafe manner by disregarding unforeseen dangers or new risks."

The executive director of the B.C. Wildlife Federation, Paul Adams, denounced the ruling as "ludicrous."

The Tsartlip First Nation is located on a densely populated penisula on Vancouver Island, where night hunting would pose a threat to human safety because lighting does not permit hunters to see beyond their target, Mr. Adams said.

© National Post 2006

sniper
12-22-2006, 06:48 AM
What is with that #^$&%#^@& Province!!!!?

First your allowed to own Kitty porn now this.

HOYTarcher
12-22-2006, 08:28 AM
Don't worry since Treaty 8 has similar wording as do most of the treaties across Canada, and this case is precident stetting I'm sure you'll see the restrictions on night hunting for Natives struck down in Alberta and the rest of Canada struck down as well.

acearchery
12-22-2006, 08:36 AM
"They had lost their case every step of the way, but they convinced the Supreme Court majority they should be able to hunt with rifles in the dark, with the aid of a lamp, because their ancestors had engaged in the practice using torches and bows and arrows

How is this based on science, history and Fact....... ANIMALS FEAR FIRE.......! They avoid fire...... They do not like fire...... so if they avoid fire..... how do they get in range of a traditional native longbow...... Which incidently were rarely used by Coastal natives because they survived by FISHING......

These guys pulled the wool over the judges eyes..... The fact that this went 10 years in our court system shows diligence on the part of the wildlife officers who charged these meatheads for pitlamping.....and stuck with it..... here is the solution..... judges are usually lazy lawyers..... how about we start pitlamping lawyers.....

see law is a short form for flaw.... it is not the law system... it is the flaw system they are not lawyers but flawyers.... they practice flaw.... That is why our whole legal system is flawed....

BY THE WAY WHAT'S BLACK AND TAN AND lOOKS GOOD ON A LAWYER........ A
ROTTWEILER WITH AIDS.....

WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CARP AND A LAWYER....ONE IS A SCUM SUCKING BOTTOM FEEDER.... THE OTHER IS JUST A FISH....

WHY DON'T SHARKS BITE LAWYERS...... PROFESSIONAL COUTESY.....

Just in case a layer reads this.....

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Ducker
12-22-2006, 11:27 AM
What a load of crap, it seems that minorities and aboriginal people have more rights than the rest of the population. It is too bad that our law system is so flawed. What will be next - will they be allowed to run down big game with vehicles and shoot out of the cabs to resemble the modern way of riding their horses and shooting their long bows at game?

acearchery
12-22-2006, 01:15 PM
I would ove to see that argument since..... the Spaniards introduced the horse to North America!.....

Dillershortbow
12-26-2006, 10:52 PM
What is with that #^$&%#^@& Province!!!!?

First your allowed to own Kitty porn now this.



supreme court-- federal court and judge they lost in prov. court everytime.

ganonymous
12-28-2006, 12:57 AM
however fellas you must admit their argument is very convincing......their ancestors did hunt at night for deer......you know 2 leggeds...the dears in tee pees so after all this is enough to ground where we should also suggest they hunt at night with lights rifles and have a whitey who will skin and gut the animal for them....after all i did hear that tribes used to force white slaves to do this......ok i actually made all that up but still holy moly........i still can't get over something else....

metis rights to hunt.......but deeper up until real recently alls you had to do to get treaty rights and/or metis rights was to have a native sign ad swear through affadavit he was your real father so you can become a treaty....metis is even more simple to declare metis rights.....my ex did it for my kids in BC of course and i swear to you they are white as white can be with no native blood......it is a screwed up system.........but there is a flip side.......

The gov'ts screwed over natives long ago......now they are screwing us, the gov't that is.......the gov't machine is consuming everything.......grrrrr

Top-pin
12-28-2006, 07:37 AM
gotta wonder who really runs this Country ?????

Dillershortbow
12-29-2006, 05:12 PM
This ruling was made in an ont. by a female judge

ganonymous
01-17-2007, 06:38 PM
I have actually more than one perspective on this topic...bottom line though is I am jealous that I am not allowed to hunt if its necassary and if I do not have a successful hunt I am forced to buy in the store....damned trouble is i love wild meat,,,,,,,,,,,,,

jessterbennett
03-06-2007, 11:04 AM
im sooo proud of the day and age i live in......... :mad: :throwup: actually i think im going to dress up in my camo, put a bandana over my face, set up a "friendly"roadblock Packing my heat and have a lil protest over this................how long do you think that protest would last?????hmmmm.........

ganonymous
03-12-2007, 11:35 PM
I most definately love this thread......... :eek:

Dillershortbow
03-13-2007, 07:42 AM
And after that jess you can wrap a diaper around your head :loser: then you can wear a sword in public --- and ride your bike without a helmet :sunnyy5: gotta love it :loser:

jessterbennett
03-16-2007, 10:46 PM
oh merv..... :lol: :laugh: ....