Questions on how to hold the BT Release?

[TheGeekLord]

Hey Guy's,

I am strugling with this BT and it seems that i am going downhill fast! I don't want to give up but i really want to figure out how to do this properly!

I have the 4 finger longhorn release and i was drawing the release withg all 4 finger on the release but i always had to keep my hand like in the safety postion to draw which was causing dificulty with my writ and hand. So this guy on friday showed me that he was able to draw without the release firing by removing the pinky and 3rd finger from the release. Which was really gool cause it allowed me to put my hand at normal draw position! But the guy also told me that i should stick the BT release as far as possible inside the hand like so that the release is close to the knuckles. Now this started causing pain in between my fingers and also in my palm cause i got the release wedged into my hand. My questions is ... Is this Knuckle technique the proper way to shoot BT or should i lower the release to the original point like a normal t handle release?

Does anyone have any picture reading material online that i could see to try to understand. Everyone seems to have a different technique these days and most docs online only talk about the form that you need to brng your shoulder plates together! That i had down pat!

Thanks alot!
Mike

[Mikey]

my advice is to hold whatever is more comfy .....

Back tention in my opinion is a BS word ...because your back really has nothing to do wiith the release going off ....the release goes off by the rotation of your hand ..... if you happen to use back muscles to achieve this rotion ...so be it ... I dont squeeze my back to set it off ... I use a push pull method .... I try to push the pin through my target and pull with my elbow straight back (Imagine someone with a rope tied to your elbow and they are pulling on the rope ) I get very little movement that way where as you squeeze yer shoulders you tend to get alot of lateral movement

as far as drawing goes .... if you draw with only 2 fingers on the release you angle the release on its own .... thus garanteeing the hinge will stay on the shelve inside and therefore not giving you a bloody nose ....

[TheGeekLord]

Thanks mikey! Ill try to put the release back where it was in the hand and try to pull with only 2/3 fingers and bring my pinky on the release to engage the safty click then try to just rotate my hand backward or lower my elbow to release! I find there is too much tress on my back with the scalpula mouvement.

Wow this stuff is prety hard

[acearchery]

I recommend the book precison Archery - it explains the back tension idea very well.

With a regular caliper release there is a daisy chain of 26 muscles/tendones/bones to move the finger and this puts a motion into the release which is connected to the string.

Back tension puts everything into the rhomboid muscle connected to your scapula which holds the shoulder socket.when this moves it will cause your elbow to move slightly thus triggering your release whether it is hinge (backtension) caliper or thumb trigger the same motion is used. When at full draw your arm needs to be relaxed you are holding your bow fully back with bone structure. Triggering is done with one muscle/tendon moving the scapula and everything attached also moves - thus triggering your release.

Think of it like this. your Scapular contains the shoulder socket which is the pivot. once your arm is completely in place it is a lever. the forearm is a connection from the distal end of the lever to the release. if you have pain or it feels awkward this means there is unwanted muscle tension in the system.

At the end of the draw cycle and you are anchored the"push pull" system referd to by Mikey is a way of getting someone to activate back tension without actually thinking of the particular targeted muscle. this becomes a reflex!- subconscious.

Example: flare your nostrils, can't that's okay, now take your fingers and slightly push your nostrils closed- see there is a reflex to make yur nostrils flare. -- different thought process. but same idea - flex your rhomboid at full draw - can't thats okay, instead push your bow towards the target and pull back from the target--- you are flexing your rhomboid now.

"rotate my hand backward or lower my elbow to release! " NO NO NO - if you do this with your thought process you might as well go back to the caliper!

"I use a push pull method .... I try to push the pin through my target and pull with my elbow straight back (Imagine someone with a rope tied to your elbow and they are pulling on the rope ) I get very little movement that way where as you squeeze yer shoulders you tend to get alot of lateral movement" -- Good Advice!

- Both of these activate the same muscles but how it is explained makes a difference!

Am I an expert on back tension - No..... But... I have struggled with this enough I gave up on it once before . I am more of an expert onhow not to execute this correctly!

I have been diligently practicing this and I encourage you to stay with it -- It works! I have been into this project now for 6 weeks and I am shooting very good scores. Scores that I would get on a good day are now happening consistently!

Here is how you know it is right, you come to the anchor, get set, check level, put pin on middleof yellow and start pulshing (push + pull together- i coined this word!) Then focus on the middle and nothing else! pin will foat - keep pulshing - focusing then as pin floats towars center- arrow flies there!

Ready for the final check!---- The release will always go off as in floats towards center! not away!

one last piece of info that ma help you is that when I am coaching this process I tap there elbow and place my hend to the back side of the elbow and encuarge them to touch my hand with their elbow.

MoST OF ALL STAY WITH IT!

[TheGeekLord]

Thanks buddy! Tell me where you hold your trigger? Or can you post me a pic???

The knuckle technique really does not feel comfortable but i awas amayzed that it worked! but i dont want to use it because it is not confortable!!

Thanks,
Mike

[acearchery]

On my hinge and thumb release i hold between first and second knuclke - hand should be strait and not cupped. If it is cupped then you are adding wrist tension. will make release go outward instead of strait back - may have to play with hand angle to find comfortable spot.

First knuckle I am refering too is last one before end of finger.

I find that hooking deep for me is very uncomfortable too.

With Tumb Trigger - trigger is against pad of thm and edge of thumb - took barrell off of my release and use the shank-- i will try to post a pic later!