Ethic and respect

[Black Bull]

What is your definition of ethic and respect?

Taureau noir :oops:

[Black Bull]

Is it ethical to shoot a fawn,or a doe that have fawns? :oops:

Taureau noir :lol: 8) :oops:

[tecspec]

:( :cry: :shock:
NO,NO,NO, DEFINITELY NOT ETHICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Even if I was lost and starving, I'd go club a porcupine first, or eat bushes.

[scooter]

Is it ethical to shoot a fawn,or a doe that have fawns? :oops:

Taureau noir :lol: 8) :oops:

I have passed on many an opportunity like that in the past years. I passed on a shot on a HUGE doe this season for that very reason. Some people called me crazy, but I just don't agree with it. The fawns wouldn't make it through the winter without mama....so she lived...

Definetly NOT ethical!

[BlueNorther]

Depends.I won't take a doe that has spotted fawns with her but a november doe with a fawn(s) will go down.

The orphans will hook up with other deer and they will make it thru the winter.

I have watched two orphaned mule deer fawns all season in the bowzone,saw them last weekend as a matter of fact.They attached themselves to a doe and her twin fawns.They can't suck but they don't need to.They're browsing on their own and are in excellent condition.

Ethics has nothing to do with it IMHO.

[Black Bull]

BLue Northern,Those fawns won't survive a winter because they did not learn how.Even if they seem attach to an other doe(because of the fawns it has,the doe won't teach them, proof ,it wont accept the fawns to suck,thats a way to show them they are not hers.
Taureau noir

[sir_huntsalot]

I personally would not shoot any doe but if there is a surplus of does I dont see any harm in taking some from the herd. I think does with fawns should be left alone. It is much better to take a young doe or an older nonbreeding doe than it is to take a prime breeding doe. Any doe that is a nonbreeder is a liability to a deer herd and taking them from the herd will leave more resources for the breeding does. In my opinion killing and old doe thats breeding days are over is a good thing. Killing a yearling doe that has not proven to be a breeder is much better than killing a mother doe but I would rather see the young does let go unless there is over population. Cull the old does and it leaves more food for the contributing members of the herd and a much healther herd overall. Thats the way I see it anyway.

[mervlott]

In bc now 2 thirds of mule deer season is 4 pionts and better now i wouldnt shoot a doe because the buck doe ratio is getting realy good 10 years ago when the ratio was 35-1 i shoot a doe any chance i got ethics i think is shoot to kill find what you hit and eat it respect is a long fogotten word

[scooter]

In bc now 2 thirds of mule deer season is 4 pionts and better now i wouldnt shoot a doe because the buck doe ratio is getting realy good 10 years ago when the ratio was 35-1 i shoot a doe any chance i got ethics i think is shoot to kill find what you hit and eat it respect is a long fogotten word

You're right mervlott....Respect is a long forgotten word. I come at this from 2 angles...1 as a hunter and sportsman who "respects" the animals and the land that I am fortunate to hunt on and also from a perspective of a rancher. I am not a land owner, but am friends with quite a few and it's interesting to see how many *******s there are out there that claim to be hunters/sportsmen. Here's a case in point. 2 years ago a good friend of mine was working on his farm, when a car load of guys pulled up his driveway with guns sticking out the windows (no word of a lie) and yelled at him (he runs his business on his ranch) "HEY! YOU SEEN so and so? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET HIM HERE TO KILL SOME ****".......and this happens all the time (not to this extreme, but this was the first one that popped into my head)...Respect has to be earned...And the idiots are not helping us out in this respect. Man, do I hate asshats!

[BlueNorther]

Taureaunoir,I have to disagree with you.I have seen alot of fawns that survive the winter without their mothers.In late winter and early spring I have seen doe's with 4 fawns and I know only 2 are hers. The two mule deer fawns I mentioned have been without their mother since early august,she was killed by a car.They are already browsing willow and aspen which is winter fare for all deer.If they needed momma to teach them everything those two youngsters would have been dead along time ago.

Now if you're talking about a spotted fawn only a month or so old it would be doubtfull it would survive on its own.

[sir_huntsalot]

I have to agree with Bluenorther on this one, as long as the fawns are hanging with other deer they should be ok. They are old enough now that they should make it as long as they are in a group. Alone there chances would not be as good. I'm sure they are paying attention to the other deer and learning what is needed. To bad they got cut off mama's milk a little early but they would have been of it at around 5 months of age anyway.

[Black Bull]

Sir Hunsalot,I agree with you 100%,that is the way I think,prefer not to shoot a doe with fawns .Prefer to come home empty handed,knowing that next year will bring 2 more deers to hunt.This is my own opinion.I don't argue with others way of thinking.Like we say if inside you feel well,that OK with me.
Taureau noir :lol: :lol:

[BlueNorther]

What's the sence in having a doe season if you don't shoot the doe's?You show me how to identify a "DRY DOE" or a barren doe and I'll go along with not shooting doe's with fawns.But I'll bet most of us here couldn't do that, myself included.A doe by her self doesn't mean she doesn't have a fawn tagging along or laying down some where.

The doe I shot this year was responding to the rattling I was doing.When I shot her,her fawn came running out across the cutline like the devil himself was on its tail.I didn't know it was there but don't care that it was.

[GeorgiaHunter]

OK coming from someone who has 10 doe tags and close to 100days to fill them . One a matriarc doe is just as formadable as a wily ol buck . Two if she has a yearling or fawn with her in Nov . she is weaning it or trying to push it away by now anyway . So if she walks in front of me and my stomach is growling and the fawn does'nt have spots , mama's going to get to ride to glory in the back of my pick-up . .............Yes I've got 3 does in the freezer right now and they look and taste like Milo Hanson's record wrapped in freezer paper . Have you tried cooking them horns lately .

[Top Dawg]

Correct me if I am wrong and sorry if anyone answerd this already I didn't read all the posts but A doe with spotted fawns shouldn't be shot BUT once Nov hits and the rut starts once breeding is on doesn't the doe kick the faws out and they will be on there own anyway???? That is what I have always been under the impresion... I have shot does in Nov....

[sir_huntsalot]

Top Dog ,Your right about the bucks putting the run to the fawns, I have seen them do it , however after the doe is bred the fawns rejoin her and stay with her until she drives them away just before giving birth to the new fawns in the spring.

[sir_huntsalot]

Oops I guess I thought you said the buck drives the fawns away but I guess you said the doe does it . I have only seen the bucks chase them away but I am sure it is quite likely the does may participate in getting them out of the way as well. I guess they want some privacy to do the deed.

[petew]

There must be a lot of us that are unethical.Look at the sales of
BOW ZONE doe tags as well as SUPLEMENTAL DOE TAGS.
Also look at sales and entry's for draws on antlerless wt/mule/elk/moose/
And also the special calf moose draws.

It would be hipocritical to pass on does and apply for cow moose or elk draws. The same logic must apply for all species .

I have no problen taking a doe or cow.

[lonewolf]

if you had drawn a tag for a doe or cow tag i guess the m.n.r knows what the population of doe to buck ratio was or bull to cow ratio so why should it be about ethics....if you are given the tag why not use it .. not to walk on thin ice with this but somebody in their office might actually know what they are doin or they would not allow the taking of a doe or cow right...respect for the land, the outdoors,the animals we harvest,and other sportsmen on the other hand is a must because one day they may just take it away just like the spring bear hunt here in ont..each day we can go out to the bush is a privilege not a right and if we as outdoorsmen are not careful the anti's may just push for that next which is a SCARY thought. this may not make sense but its just my 2 cents

[manford]

I personally don't shoot does unless its the last week of season and I haven't shot my buck.Biggest reason-I'm trying to do my part in increasing the number in the herd in our area.Second reason-where theres does theres bucks during the rutt(live decoys)Third reason- I love the challenge of hunting a whitetail buck. As for what plasticpail says about being hypocritical I absolutley agree. How can people purposely go hunting for a calf moose but say its wrong to shoot a doe or fawn.
I think a lot of those people are softies. The fawns to cute or something like that.A hunter is a hunter theres no in between. Now as far as ethics go, if in the area that you hunt there is good numbers in the deer herd I see nothing wrong with taking a doe that has a fawn.I think that the fawn will definatly hook up with the rest of the herd. Ethics to me is more about making clean kills and using what you take from the land you are using. Taking does and fawns is more about controlling the popullation in your herd. :?:

[sir_huntsalot]

I think to shoot or not to shoot a doe is ok either way . If you like the meat and you are happy about taking a doe then great. I dont really care for deer meat and I get no thrill in killing a doe so I leave them alone. However when I frist started hunting ,any deer was a big thrill for me to take and I shot quite a few does but nowadays only a big buck excites me so thats all I bother with.

[petew]

Sir hunts, :
What do you do with the meat if you don't like it?

[sir_huntsalot]

I give the meat to friends, none of it ever goes to waste. If I keep any wild meat it's moose. I like the smokeys and jerky. I know alot of guys that try to fill their freezers in the fall and come the next summer they are trying to give it away. I only keep what I know I will eat, I hate to see anything go to waste. I grew up eating wild meat as I came from a poor family and I guess I just got tired of it especially deer but I never got tired of hunting them.